Originally posted by

AGEE04

Apparently the Ag Democrats have started to cry because the Ag Republicans were more creative.

I don't think this has anything to do with creativity. If you read the article, you'd note that since A&M is a public university that it cannot legally endorse a political candidate. Although "Beat the Hell Outta" is not a registered trademark of A&M, it is closely associated with the university. And the real point the article is trying to make is that the shirt might be construed as a public endorsement by A&M. As it is, it is more a murky question of trademark law than of personal taste. Although, I may go so far as to say that you have poor taste in what you think is creative.

Ohh yea, ... Palin would be in a bikini.

Originally posted by

AGEE04

Apparently the Ag Democrats have started to cry because the Ag Republicans were more creative.

Palin would be in the back of the helicopter staring down the scope of a rifle pointed right at them.

Yea, because t-shirts depicting assassinations of charismatic black men in American politics is such good bull.

Originally posted by

joho '50

Concerning T shirt polotics I am sure a great amount of cash was donated to the democratic party mre than the republican party since all the liberal profs have donated to the democratic party this was posted in the newspaper a couple of months ago.
Lets face it BO with a middle name of Hussein has to be a muslin. He claims to be a christian not true. I was born in Cairo Egypt and I know the backgroung of the arabs. I have nothing against BO but he has a lot of hidden background that has to be opened to the public. I still think his birth cert. was doctored i believe he is a foreigner like myself.

does this have anything to do with a t-shirt? no. ok thanks.

Speaking of the "easily swayed", which I would like to point out as the only reason an intelligent person would make a shirt or poster like that. To get easily swayed people to vote republican.

Logically speaking, candidates' aren't trying to get educated peoples votes. They are trying to get the uneducated voters votes. Educated republicans vote that way because they don't believe in murder, don't believe in same sex marriage, and believe in the economy of the United States. Educated democrats vote that way because they believe a life begins a few weeks after conception, glbta's should have the same rights, and think that the rich should work hard to give their money to the poor. These two educated people of politics will have a hard time ever changing their views.

Getting the uneducated voters is how presidents win the election. This is hard for conservatives because most of the uneducated get their news from the media and from on-line, they don't watch the debates. As we all know, of the major media outlets, Fox news is the only one that is pro Republican. When news comes out, no matter how ridiculous it may be, that Obama and Bin-Laden are best friends, the republicans have to play it up as much as they can because that's the crap that gets to the uneducated voters. A gun toting, bikini wearing, vice president / governor; play it up as much as possible.

Why do you think the democrats win when a Bill Clinton or an Obama come along? Because they are young, hip, trendy people and the uneducated voters are swayed that way. Stick a stiff like Al Gore or John Kerry up there and they get beat by Bush. Uneducated voters are what it is all about. Talking in an aTm affiliated website won't change much because most of us are very educated. I just think its fun to get reactions. I thank you for your comments, have a great month and vote for McCain.

If you vote for Obama you are putting Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and Barack Obama in charge of your lives. With McCain you get a liberal republican who will provide a system of checks and balances (what are founding fathers wanted). Vote for the betterment of America and vote McCain.

Originally posted by

Chris '07

Well hell, while we're at it...

Beat the Hell Outta Gumby!

That fucker is green and squishy and we can't stand for it


** So, if Beat the Hell Outta Obama is racist, is Beat the Hell Outta McCain advocating violence against the elderly? I would notify the media about this, but they're too busy investing my advocating violence against green squishy people. Your days are numbered Gumby....

I, too, support the beating of Gumby...except on Tuesdays when he gives out $.50 pizza rolls...

Originally posted by

Rob

Why did they have to bring up the race card in this article. A&M is just an extremly republican school and they would have made this shirt for any democratic candidate. It is just stupid to call people racist for making these shirts.

Race was brought up because to anyone outside of A&M, a shirt talking about beating the hell out of a black man on some conservative white kid is EASILY read as being racist... while on A&M's campus it may not be offensive in that manner, it easily could be seen that way by other people. But, I think as long as they remain in aggieland and out of football games, it's not so much an issue... even if it still raises an eyebrow.

Originally posted by

Rob

Why did they have to bring up the race card in this article. A&M is just an extremly republican school and they would have made this shirt for any democratic candidate. It is just stupid to call people racist for making these shirts.

True 'dat. Just cause the guy is black if you say one thing about him it's automatically racist. Ridiculous. If a black guy wear's a "BTHO McCain" T-shirt he must be a racist too, right? The ONE thing I'd take from Europe is their mentality about race, which is that no one cares and if you were to bring it up you're just a classless asshole.

Seems that all the people who would call the shirt racist are the one's with race on the mind.

A&M may have an appearance of being "republican" (though I think the word you're looking for is conservative), but in reality the demographic is probably about that of Texas overall, ~60% (large margin comparatively, but not "extreme"). A&M Probably just seems conservative in comparison to most other large universities that lean far left in the same way that McCain might seem conservative (he's not) compared to the MOST liberal member of the senate running against him, or how Fox News seems uber-conservative compared to the rest of the media.

Originally posted by

Rob

Why did they have to bring up the race card in this article. A&M is just an extremly republican school and they would have made this shirt for any democratic candidate. It is just stupid to call people racist for making these shirts.

with the string of recent beat-the-hell-out-of-the-foriegn-graduate-student-on-northgate news items, along with the blackface video, along with the history of A&M being very conservative and very opposed to minorities (tamu fought allowing a gay student group up to the US supreme court), to the comments posted on this website in response to anything mentioning Obama, racism is the elephant in the room at this university in situations you normally would dismiss it.

Originally posted by

Rob

Why did they have to bring up the race card in this article. A&M is just an extremly republican school and they would have made this shirt for any democratic candidate. It is just stupid to call people racist for making these shirts.

You wanna know why it raises eyebrows? It's the history of this country which is inextricably linked to the south. Was there a history of beating down old white men? Well, I guess you could argue MAYBE since McCain can be an Irish last name but honestly, that's pretty ludicrous. The shirt suggests what seems like a personal attack on Obama, a black man, coming from a southern state - which definitely makes it suspect.

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of hearing "the people who are calling it racist are the ones with race on their mind," yeah, someone made that same excuse for the video of a man carrying around a curious george doll wearing a Barack Obama sticker calling him little hussein. Clearly RACE wasn't involved in that at all. Clearly, the reason that people keep suggesting Obama was a terrorist long before the laughable connection to Ayers was brought up wasn't his because of his race. Clearly the reason Obama has been accused of being a muslim, despite undeniable evidence otherwise is because of his race (not like being islamic should even matter anyways). There's a difference between an attack on Obama as a politician and an attack on him which is linked to race - and it makes it pretty much undeniable that race HAS played a huge role in this campaign. When the race issue keeps rearing it's ugly head, are you really that shocked that something like this comes up looking sour?


Has anyone called saying Obama is socialist racist? No. Has anyone said questioning Obama's experience is racist? No. There are plenty of ways of criticizing Obama without involving the race issue, I'm sorry that you seem to find it so unbelievably hard.

Originally posted by

DM11

1) Freedom of speech. Whichever party you choose to support by wearing the "BTHO Obama/McCain" t-shirt, that's your right. Since the phrase is not a registered trademark of Texas A&M University, the university is not endorsing anyone. To suppose, however, that these shirts should not be allowed because they might offend someone, is a ludicrous idea. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you don't like that, tough. Go live somewhere else. The point will get across: that you do not like said candidate. That is your right. For whatever reason you may have. There are bigger issues to be crying over right now. So stop whining, sit down, and shut up.

2) When you can't spell correctly, it really lessens the effectiveness of your comments. Just saying.

You know, a big part of freedom of speech is if you don't like what is going on around you that you have the freedom to complain about it. Freedom of speech goes both ways, maybe instead of whining about how people expressing their opinions is violating OTHER peoples rights you should shut up and do something else.