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A&M students react to attack on Northgate
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Texas A&M students, family and friends continue to reel from the stabbing of a Rice University basketball player and his twin brother, a former A&M student....
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SomeonesMom
posted 4/14/07 @ 12:57 PM CST
[QUOTE id="b8a5f241-5de8-46c0-be51-9926199e315d"]-"Bar fights happen, but when someone pulls a knife out, that's a totally different story," said Matthew Fenelon, a freshman accounting major.-
- A fight is a fight. Saying it is different when you pull out a knife is like saying its ok to fight without one. By all means I know that this is a tragedy and there are no excuses for this happening. But we need to not only watch people with knifes but also be cautious of people getting into fights in the first place. We need to take some initiative to stop the little things that we may pass by day to day, because in result it can lead to something more. I want to know how much of influence was alcohol in the fight. Stupid things happen those stupid people who drink. Maybe this can be a lesson to us all.[/QUOT
Rene - watch your mouth, or in this case what you write. Show some respect. You may not agree with Matt but, if you have an opinion lets hear it... not just typing a bunch of insults laced with cursing. Being a college student (I assume) you should have a better vocabulary.
- A fight is a fight. Saying it is different when you pull out a knife is like saying its ok to fight without one. By all means I know that this is a tragedy and there are no excuses for this happening. But we need to not only watch people with knifes but also be cautious of people getting into fights in the first place. We need to take some initiative to stop the little things that we may pass by day to day, because in result it can lead to something more. I want to know how much of influence was alcohol in the fight. Stupid things happen those stupid people who drink. Maybe this can be a lesson to us all.[/QUOT
Rene - watch your mouth, or in this case what you write. Show some respect. You may not agree with Matt but, if you have an opinion lets hear it... not just typing a bunch of insults laced with cursing. Being a college student (I assume) you should have a better vocabulary.
lindsay
posted 4/14/07 @ 8:52 PM CST
listen, ..."someones MOM",
if that was your innocent son or daughter getting STABBED TO DEATH, cussing would be the least of your worries. good job rene.
if that was your innocent son or daughter getting STABBED TO DEATH, cussing would be the least of your worries. good job rene.
Laura
posted 4/10/07 @ 9:15 AM CST
This entire ordeal is horrible and makes my skin crawl. At first when I heard there was a stabbing in Northgate, I immediately wanted the person with the knife behind bars and felt remorse and sadness for both Bailey brothers. However, after hearing more of the story, it seems as if the stabbing was partially self defense. And no, I do not think it's okay to stab someone, run away, and wash the blood off in the sink, but I know a number of guys who would do the same thing if they saw their buddy getting his head kicked against a sidewalk. A large number of guys in College Stations carry pocket knives or hunting knives. If one guy gets thrown in jail for violence, why don't they all? My heart goes out to all 4 involved and their families.
Sad Ag
posted 4/10/07 @ 10:15 AM CST
Originally posted byLaura
This entire ordeal is horrible and makes my skin crawl. At first when I heard there was a stabbing in Northgate, I immediately wanted the person with the knife behind bars and felt remorse and sadness for both Bailey brothers. However, after hearing more of the story, it seems as if the stabbing was partially self defense. And no, I do not think it's okay to stab someone, run away, and wash the blood off in the sink, but I know a number of guys who would do the same thing if they saw their buddy getting his head kicked against a sidewalk. A large number of guys in College Stations carry pocket knives or hunting knives. If one guy gets thrown in jail for violence, why don't they all? My heart goes out to all 4 involved and their families.
Well said!
Bravo!
posted 4/10/07 @ 1:07 PM CST
Originally posted byLaura
This entire ordeal is horrible and makes my skin crawl. At first when I heard there was a stabbing in Northgate, I immediately wanted the person with the knife behind bars and felt remorse and sadness for both Bailey brothers. However, after hearing more of the story, it seems as if the stabbing was partially self defense. And no, I do not think it's okay to stab someone, run away, and wash the blood off in the sink, but I know a number of guys who would do the same thing if they saw their buddy getting his head kicked against a sidewalk. A large number of guys in College Stations carry pocket knives or hunting knives. If one guy gets thrown in jail for violence, why don't they all? My heart goes out to all 4 involved and their families.
This is the best comment I have ever read on here. Thank you for bringing us back to reality, Laura!
lindsay
posted 4/14/07 @ 8:59 PM CST
It was in NO WAY self defense. he was never touched before he stabbed. he was not defending his friend. his friend was not beaten before the stabbings were over. would you not beat the guy who KILLED your brother after they had already jumped, held you down and stabbed you aswell? this was cold blooded, PREMEDITATED MURDER! youd be sick if you knew who you were defending. get your facts straight. and never believe the media...or a murderer!
Scott
posted 4/10/07 @ 11:08 AM CST
Don't hump a drunk marine's leg. Pretty simple.
lindsay
posted 4/14/07 @ 8:49 PM CST
...ya or he'll kill you and your family. cool. NOT...ps no ones leg got humped. again get your facts straight.
Allen
posted 4/10/07 @ 1:14 PM CST
This killer is loose on $200,000 bail? Who authorized this? Who is responsible if he causes more problems? These bars close to campus and dorms are always a menace, and the university administration should do something to close or manage them. One step might be a place restricted to Texas A&M students and their guests.
Nick
posted 4/10/07 @ 1:56 PM CST
Originally posted byAllen
This killer is loose on $200,000 bail? Who authorized this? Who is responsible if he causes more problems? These bars close to campus and dorms are always a menace, and the university administration should do something to close or manage them. One step might be a place restricted to Texas A&M students and their guests.
It is reasonable that he be released, especially since he has not yet been proven guilty. There is alot of evidence that points to his actions as the defense of a third party.
Frank Allen
posted 4/10/07 @ 4:22 PM CST
Originally posted byAllen
This killer is loose on $200,000 bail? Who authorized this? Who is responsible if he causes more problems? These bars close to campus and dorms are always a menace, and the university administration should do something to close or manage them. One step might be a place restricted to Texas A&M students and their guests.
Allen, don't wet your pants.
LB
posted 4/10/07 @ 8:50 PM CST
The sad part is where are all the witnesses that stood there and allowed the Fuller boy to be beat until he can't see? Finally someone with guts stepped up to the plate and protected this boy. It's a shame some of these college kids would rather watch then defend someone in trouble. Do you have to go to war to be able to determine when someone is in a life or death situation? I feel bad for the Bailey boy but I also feel bad for the Johnson boy that seen a life in trouble and did something about it. I would definitely want him on my side. So stop pointing fingers and recognize that you are a coward if you don't see what happened here. Maybe you should join the military to find out what it takes to be a hero....
Originally posted byAllen
This killer is loose on $200,000 bail? Who authorized this? Who is responsible if he causes more problems? These bars close to campus and dorms are always a menace, and the university administration should do something to close or manage them. One step might be a place restricted to Texas A&M students and their guests.
Andrew
posted 4/11/07 @ 4:16 PM CST
Originally posted byAllen
This killer is loose on $200,000 bail? Who authorized this? Who is responsible if he causes more problems? These bars close to campus and dorms are always a menace, and the university administration should do something to close or manage them. One step might be a place restricted to Texas A&M students and their guests.
I did join the military to find out what it feels like to be a hero. I fought, and I consider myself a hero. Part of my training is knowing when deadly force is necessary and when it is not. IT WAS NOT!! Shame on you for condoning such behavior. Why the heck did this idiot have a knife to begin with. A Marine with a weapon is a very dangerous situation. A drunk Marine with a weapon has disaster written all over it. In addition, my combat training has enabled me to fight with my hands, and very well at that. Knives (Zach at the top of the page, it's not knifes) had no business coming into play.
marg
posted 4/14/07 @ 9:13 PM CST
Originally posted byAllen
This killer is loose on $200,000 bail? Who authorized this? Who is responsible if he causes more problems? These bars close to campus and dorms are always a menace, and the university administration should do something to close or manage them. One step might be a place restricted to Texas A&M students and their guests.
hero? FAAAAARRRRRR FROM IT! you obviosly have no idea what actually happened! you ignorant people are starting to all look like idiots and you should stick to fighting the war and getting killed. I think more emphasis needs to be put on reintegrating the marines back to into civilian life because i understand they are put in difficult situations and that those sitations will haunt them for life but that does NOT JUSTIFY WHAT THEYVE DONE and the problem needs to be fixed!
Frank
posted 4/10/07 @ 2:46 PM CST
Violence doesn't warrant arrest. Committing a crime warrants arrest.
If it becomes clear that Ron acted in the necessary defense of a third party (his fellow Marine buddy), then he should and will be acquitted or otherwise cleared of the charges against him. The situation he was in either warranted the use of lethal force, or it did not. One of the things which allows lethal force in Texas is to stop a third party (another person) from being killed, raped, or otherwise suffering grave bodily injury. His friend ended up in the hospital, and word is he'll have to have part of his face reconstructed. That sounds like grave bodily injury to me.
Being a Marine with a knife doesn't mean you don't get scared like anyone else when your buddy is being injured. You don't have some special power that means you should restrain yourself more than anybody else. You're still just as mortal as a 95 pound girl, or a 70 year old man.
Ron refused to be a victim, or let his buddy become a victim. He learned in Iraq to equip himself for unlikely violence, that strikes when you least expect it. He also learned to finish a fight. Nobody made those twins get into it with Ron or his friend. Nobody made the twins continue the fight. They could have stopped what happened at any time by simply turning their backs and walking away. They refused to end that fight. So Ron ended it. You choose to participate in violence, you have to deal with the consequences, and those consequences are rarely measured appropriately: they're whatever the other guy dishes out to you. Unfortunate things happen.
I understand the student body's horror at this incredibly unfortunate situation. But don't crucify a guy based solely on the fact that he was violent enough, fast enough to protect himself and his friend from at least two combatants who willingly engaged them. And, so long as you don't engage in barfights, don't be scared to walk the bars of Northgate. Don't start none, won't be none.
If it becomes clear that Ron acted in the necessary defense of a third party (his fellow Marine buddy), then he should and will be acquitted or otherwise cleared of the charges against him. The situation he was in either warranted the use of lethal force, or it did not. One of the things which allows lethal force in Texas is to stop a third party (another person) from being killed, raped, or otherwise suffering grave bodily injury. His friend ended up in the hospital, and word is he'll have to have part of his face reconstructed. That sounds like grave bodily injury to me.
Being a Marine with a knife doesn't mean you don't get scared like anyone else when your buddy is being injured. You don't have some special power that means you should restrain yourself more than anybody else. You're still just as mortal as a 95 pound girl, or a 70 year old man.
Ron refused to be a victim, or let his buddy become a victim. He learned in Iraq to equip himself for unlikely violence, that strikes when you least expect it. He also learned to finish a fight. Nobody made those twins get into it with Ron or his friend. Nobody made the twins continue the fight. They could have stopped what happened at any time by simply turning their backs and walking away. They refused to end that fight. So Ron ended it. You choose to participate in violence, you have to deal with the consequences, and those consequences are rarely measured appropriately: they're whatever the other guy dishes out to you. Unfortunate things happen.
I understand the student body's horror at this incredibly unfortunate situation. But don't crucify a guy based solely on the fact that he was violent enough, fast enough to protect himself and his friend from at least two combatants who willingly engaged them. And, so long as you don't engage in barfights, don't be scared to walk the bars of Northgate. Don't start none, won't be none.
Ed
posted 4/10/07 @ 6:14 PM CST
Originally posted byFrank
Violence doesn't warrant arrest. Committing a crime warrants arrest.
If it becomes clear that Ron acted in the necessary defense of a third party (his fellow Marine buddy), then he should and will be acquitted or otherwise cleared of the charges against him. The situation he was in either warranted the use of lethal force, or it did not. One of the things which allows lethal force in Texas is to stop a third party (another person) from being killed, raped, or otherwise suffering grave bodily injury. His friend ended up in the hospital, and word is he'll have to have part of his face reconstructed. That sounds like grave bodily injury to me.
Being a Marine with a knife doesn't mean you don't get scared like anyone else when your buddy is being injured. You don't have some special power that means you should restrain yourself more than anybody else. You're still just as mortal as a 95 pound girl, or a 70 year old man.
Ron refused to be a victim, or let his buddy become a victim. He learned in Iraq to equip himself for unlikely violence, that strikes when you least expect it. He also learned to finish a fight. Nobody made those twins get into it with Ron or his friend. Nobody made the twins continue the fight. They could have stopped what happened at any time by simply turning their backs and walking away. They refused to end that fight. So Ron ended it. You choose to participate in violence, you have to deal with the consequences, and those consequences are rarely measured appropriately: they're whatever the other guy dishes out to you. Unfortunate things happen.
I understand the student body's horror at this incredibly unfortunate situation. But don't crucify a guy based solely on the fact that he was violent enough, fast enough to protect himself and his friend from at least two combatants who willingly engaged them. And, so long as you don't engage in barfights, don't be scared to walk the bars of Northgate. Don't start none, won't be none.
Indeed, Condolences should go to the families of all parties involved. However, let's not kid ourselves into believing that lethal force was even something that should have occured at Northgate of all places. Were the four of them alone? could he have not called for help in the very country that he serves to protect overseas? Did he need to pull out that knife? Did America Abandon him?
Just as equally important is the following questions. Did America really abandon him? what were the fellow revelers in Northgate doing? couldn't have some group of people stepped in before the situation escalated? Or were they just watching on, remenesant of a gladiator fight or ancient war they just saw last week in the movies? Maybe this incident was nothing more than evening entertainment to the people all around then. So if that were true, then why the outrage?
Blood was spilt at Northgate. Lets not lie to ourselves anymore that we are in some isolated bubble where Northgate is the mild and not as violent place as many of the other violent night spots we here and see on the news. Let us not kid ourselves that we are not responsible that if someone had done something, this would never have happened. This is a sin of omission that we will all be guilty of, that we could have done something but were too indifferent to do anything about. Let's be honest. Everyone is guilty of depraved indifference.
lindsay
posted 4/14/07 @ 9:42 PM CST
the "grave bodily injury" occured AFTER he had already stabbed both of the brothers MULTIPLE TIMES and after they MURDERED jonathan! jonathan died trying to save his brother. both of the marines should fry. the marines are going to go to jail because it was NOT warrented. They planned to kill both of the brothers and should do 2 lifetimes; one for murder and one for attempted murder.
A marine in his prime does have more power than a little girl or a defensless old ma. He is physically more powerful and if hes carrying a deadly weapon he SHOULD be more educated.
Only one brother ever faught. He tried to apologize but was punched. He was the bigger person who turned his back and walk away. That is why ONE of them was ALONE walking to their car and was jumped and stabbed by 2 guys. jonathan died trying to save his brothers life and he did. He is the hero.
ron is not a victim. RON IS A MURDERER. who knows who else they have killed and will kill if we dont put him behind bars for life. he may not even know who he has killed before. he was drunk. being drunk is no excuse for murder.
A marine in his prime does have more power than a little girl or a defensless old ma. He is physically more powerful and if hes carrying a deadly weapon he SHOULD be more educated.
Only one brother ever faught. He tried to apologize but was punched. He was the bigger person who turned his back and walk away. That is why ONE of them was ALONE walking to their car and was jumped and stabbed by 2 guys. jonathan died trying to save his brothers life and he did. He is the hero.
ron is not a victim. RON IS A MURDERER. who knows who else they have killed and will kill if we dont put him behind bars for life. he may not even know who he has killed before. he was drunk. being drunk is no excuse for murder.
lindsay
posted 4/14/07 @ 9:47 PM CST
our society is becoming more and more desensitized to violence. People do just stand around a fight and watch for entertainment. No fight should be taken lightly. especially a drunk one.
AggieMom
posted 4/10/07 @ 3:22 PM CST
This is such a sad situation. My heart goes out to all of those involved, especially thier moms. As a mom of two Aggies, my greatest fear is of losing one of them. To lose a child is an unimaginable horror. Not just Jonathon and Janson's mom, but the moms of the other two as well. Their lives will never be the same. It is natural for us to look for something or someone to blame...find a reason for such a horrible event. The simple fact is, when we drink, we lose the ability to make wise decisions. I am NOT condemning the consumption of alcohol. I enjoy a drink or two myself. I'll bet that each of these young men were cute little boys at one time, the apple of their parent's eyes. The families watched them grow into men with bright futures. Now, because drunken stupidity and machismo one young man is dead, two recovering and yet another facing murder charges. Was it worth it? When you make the decision to have a drink, please, think of your mom. At least drink in moderation and be responsible. Stop blaming others and take responsibility for yourself...even try to keep your friends out of trouble. You are ultimately responsible for your actions. We love all of our kids, Aggies or not!
Matt
posted 4/11/07 @ 4:33 PM CST
Originally posted byAggieMom
This is such a sad situation. My heart goes out to all of those involved, especially thier moms. As a mom of two Aggies, my greatest fear is of losing one of them. To lose a child is an unimaginable horror. Not just Jonathon and Janson's mom, but the moms of the other two as well. Their lives will never be the same. It is natural for us to look for something or someone to blame...find a reason for such a horrible event. The simple fact is, when we drink, we lose the ability to make wise decisions. I am NOT condemning the consumption of alcohol. I enjoy a drink or two myself. I'll bet that each of these young men were cute little boys at one time, the apple of their parent's eyes. The families watched them grow into men with bright futures. Now, because drunken stupidity and machismo one young man is dead, two recovering and yet another facing murder charges. Was it worth it? When you make the decision to have a drink, please, think of your mom. At least drink in moderation and be responsible. Stop blaming others and take responsibility for yourself...even try to keep your friends out of trouble. You are ultimately responsible for your actions. We love all of our kids, Aggies or not!
Very well said! I would be very proud of my mom if I were your kids, and I'm sure they are. I had to comment, because your remarks echoed my own mother's. In addition, it makes me very sad to read comments from kids condoning the violent behavior of ANY of the guys involved. What does it take for college students to grow up and make responsible decisions? How many more of our friends will die or be injured? I graduated last year, and I look back at all the irresponible and down right stupid decisions I made in college, and it makes me sad. Myself and anyone of my friends could have suffered the same consequences, and I thank God every day that he was looking out for me. Other parents please continue to talk to your kids. God Bless
dana
posted 4/10/07 @ 9:16 PM CST
I hate to have to be the first one to say this, but one of the reasons we send our children to College Station is because we feel they are safe there. Relatively speaking. I have two children who have graduated from Texas A&M and one daughter who dreams of going there. Of course, I hope she won't be in a bar at 2 in the morning, and I understand that the participants in this tragedy were not Aggies, but it sure hits close to campus, don't you think?
Not having lived in College Station, I can only comment on the presence of law enforcement from the perspective of having paid an outrageous amount of money on parking tickets both on and off campus as a result of poor parking choices my student made while living there. Perhaps if there was more of a law enforcement presence in the bars and less writing tickets, our precious College Station would be a place I will feel comfortable sending my daughter in 2014. At this rate, I'm not so sure.
Why not send her to UT? What will be the difference? Bud do you think anyone is really listening? Probably not. I just hate to see this happening to College Station and to Aggieland.
Not having lived in College Station, I can only comment on the presence of law enforcement from the perspective of having paid an outrageous amount of money on parking tickets both on and off campus as a result of poor parking choices my student made while living there. Perhaps if there was more of a law enforcement presence in the bars and less writing tickets, our precious College Station would be a place I will feel comfortable sending my daughter in 2014. At this rate, I'm not so sure.
Why not send her to UT? What will be the difference? Bud do you think anyone is really listening? Probably not. I just hate to see this happening to College Station and to Aggieland.
dianne
posted 4/14/07 @ 9:54 PM CST
We're listening. And agree. College Station does have too much law enformcement but in the wrong places.
Joe
posted 4/11/07 @ 3:20 AM CST
Is this the first time violence has ocurred on NorthGate? No. Have the police beefed up security in the area? Yeah. The only other way to ensure something like this doesn't happen again is to be proactive. If you see someone on NorthGate acting overtly aggressive, call the cops. Tell a bouncer. Do something. This is a tragedy for more than one reason. This might have been prevented, had someone said something, had the bouncers not just thrown out the disputing men, but had them held accountable for their actions. Isn't it much better to have the police decide what to do, than have someone die? My heart goes out to those involved in these kinds of disputes, but I'll be honest, I've been in a few myself. More often than not they go without anyone being held responsible. It is unfortunate someone had to pass away in order for the reality of responsibility to set in.
Sara
posted 4/12/07 @ 10:32 AM CST
Originally posted byJoe
Is this the first time violence has ocurred on NorthGate? No. Have the police beefed up security in the area? Yeah. The only other way to ensure something like this doesn't happen again is to be proactive. If you see someone on NorthGate acting overtly aggressive, call the cops. Tell a bouncer. Do something. This is a tragedy for more than one reason. This might have been prevented, had someone said something, had the bouncers not just thrown out the disputing men, but had them held accountable for their actions. Isn't it much better to have the police decide what to do, than have someone die? My heart goes out to those involved in these kinds of disputes, but I'll be honest, I've been in a few myself. More often than not they go without anyone being held responsible. It is unfortunate someone had to pass away in order for the reality of responsibility to set in.
As a friend of the many people who are employed in Northgate and at V Bar I have heard that CSPD has instructed all bouncers to have minimal involvement in fights meaning they are allowed to restrain participants in altercations and eject them from the bar but as soon as they are outside the door it is assumed they(the bouncers) are paticipating in the fight. Usually police officers are patroling Northgate and are close at hand to take over once the bouncer has done their part of moving the fight out of the bar but this particular night apparently they weren't. The fight temporarily stopped following them being kicked out of the bar and resumed later in the alley behind V Bar, Groove, Hookah Station, and Corner Bar. Anything that occurs in that area is far out of eyesight and jurisdiciton of any bar staff member. College Station Police Department needed to be more aware of their resposibility to patrol this area considering they have made it very clear to all bar bouncers that they are not to step foot outside of the bar for any reason.
matt
posted 4/14/07 @ 10:00 PM CST
janson bailey was a bouncer. he was doing his job. fuller was the only person kicked out. fuller got his revenge later that night. with the help of friends and their knives on unsuspecting bailey when he was all alone.
Ed
posted 4/11/07 @ 3:41 PM CST
I cannot believe there are people out there talking about the necessity of lethal force. This is Northgate for goodness sakes, not some lawless wild untaimed and unpopulated region were the only way to survive is to depend on your own fighting, gunslinging, combat survival skills. Was there do body around to reach out for help or were people just watch like the fighting was some side show?
If anything we are all just animals thirsty for blood and violence and are not willing to admit it.
If anything we are all just animals thirsty for blood and violence and are not willing to admit it.
Super Elite Ninja Warrior
posted 4/11/07 @ 4:03 PM CST
Originally posted byEd
I cannot believe there are people out there talking about the necessity of lethal force. This is Northgate for goodness sakes, not some lawless wild untaimed and unpopulated region were the only way to survive is to depend on your own fighting, gunslinging, combat survival skills. Was there do body around to reach out for help or were people just watch like the fighting was some side show?
If anything we are all just animals thirsty for blood and violence and are not willing to admit it.
Violence is violence no matter where you are. Northgate can be just as dangerous as any other, especially with alcohol as a catalyst.
Sara
posted 4/12/07 @ 10:36 AM CST
Any marine I'm sure is trained to know that alcohol impairs judgement and the choice of whether or not to use deadly force is not to be made under the impairment of this or any other drug.
A Mom
posted 4/14/07 @ 6:42 PM CST
This is a link to the statements made by those were actually at the scene of the altercation: http://home.beaumontenterprise.com/newsphotos/PDF_files/070414_Johnson_PC.pdf
According to Mr. Johnson himself, the fight was over when he and Mr. Fuller saw Janson alone and decided to attack him again. The stabbings happened shortly thereafter. I see nothing here that convinces me that Mr. Johnson should not stand trial for murder. My condolences to the families of all those inlvolved.
According to Mr. Johnson himself, the fight was over when he and Mr. Fuller saw Janson alone and decided to attack him again. The stabbings happened shortly thereafter. I see nothing here that convinces me that Mr. Johnson should not stand trial for murder. My condolences to the families of all those inlvolved.
Ag Dad
posted 4/14/07 @ 10:09 PM CST
Mr. Fuller should stand trial for murder as well. He was undoubtable an accomplice to murder and actively participated in the planning, restraining and stabbings.
A mom
posted 4/14/07 @ 10:40 PM CST
This is a link to the statements made by those were actually at the scene of the altercation:
http://home.beaumontenterprise.com/newsphotos/PDF_files/070414_Johnson_PC.pdf
According to Mr. Johnson himself, the fight was over when he and Mr. Fuller saw Janson alone and decided to attack him again. The stabbings happened shortly thereafter. I see nothing here that convinces me that Mr. Johnson should not stand trial for murder. My condolences to the families of all those inlvolved.
http://home.beaumontenterprise.com/newsphotos/PDF_files/070414_Johnson_PC.pdf
According to Mr. Johnson himself, the fight was over when he and Mr. Fuller saw Janson alone and decided to attack him again. The stabbings happened shortly thereafter. I see nothing here that convinces me that Mr. Johnson should not stand trial for murder. My condolences to the families of all those inlvolved.
SomonesMom
posted 4/15/07 @ 11:00 AM CST
Thanks "A Mom" for the link. It was very informative. I don't think Ron Johnson has a prayer if he claims self defense. I could be wrong but, I'd bet this will never go to trial. He will probably plead guilty to 2nd degree murder or possibly even man slaughter (a "slap on the hand" murder charge) and spend maybe 5 - 20 years in prison. Sucks, but that is how our judicial system works. Most cases never go to trial because they are settled out of court when the accused pleads to a lesser charge. This process is likely to take up to a year or more and in that time Johnson will live life like nothing ever happened. Doesn't seem fair when Jonathan's family will suffer every day for the rest of their lives. Welcome to our wonderful judicial system.
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posted 4/10/07 @ 2:06 AM CST
- A fight is a fight. Saying it is different when you pull out a knife is like saying its ok to fight without one. By all means I know that this is a tragedy and there are no excuses for this happening. But we need to not only watch people with knifes but also be cautious of people getting into fights in the first place. We need to take some initiative to stop the little things that we may pass by day to day, because in result it can lead to something more. I want to know how much of influence was alcohol in the fight. Stupid things happen those stupid people who drink. Maybe this can be a lesson to us all.