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All Things Reconsidered | A dream deferred

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Immigration and undocumented immigrants are hotly debated issues in the United States today....

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Meagain

posted 11/28/07 @ 2:01 AM CST

Why do you insist on lumping in immigrants and 'undocumented immigrants' into one lump category? Most of the outrage against the amnesty acts of which you write are for illegal immigrants. Not immigrants who have followed the laws. Not legal immigrants that have done what they are supposed to. The hotly debated issue is the ILLEGAL (undocumented as you would rather use) immigrants that have come to our country and demanded citizenship, flying the US flag upside down and thinking that they are owed citizenship when they broke the laws by coming here.

I'm sorry that Ana's parents broke the law and now she has to pay for it. She is getting a great education at a reduced rate. But the thing of it is, her parents broke the law. THEY BROKE THE LAW. Why, as a citizen of this country, does that get REWARDED? While she was ten and had nothing to do with it, she herself still broke the law coming here. I'm supposed to feel sorry for her? Apply for citizenship and wait in line like all the others.

Read the DREAM Act. Look at the numbers that it will allow to become citizens. There is no requirement to finish college. The documentation needed to prove that the person has been here for five years is minimal. The way the bill was written would require only a sworn statement that the person had been here for five years. The years they claim they have been here would count toward the green card and actually speed up their process of becoming citizens then those that did it legally.

Fortunately, the SAVE act was shut down at the end of October.

Cliff

posted 11/28/07 @ 8:52 AM CST

Ana is a criminal, everyday that she is illegal in the USA should count as a seperate charge. I am sure she can be productive in prison.

Nicolas M

posted 11/30/07 @ 11:19 AM CST

Originally posted by

Cliff

Ana is a criminal, everyday that she is illegal in the USA should count as a seperate charge. I am sure she can be productive in prison.


Such same mindset was that of Nazis who believed minorities like Jews were criminals. The cause of this was the holocaust. Anna was 10 years old when she was brought illegally to this country. Clearly she had no choice. I hope you change the way you think.

Clifford

posted 4/02/09 @ 6:38 PM CST

Originally posted by

Cliff

Ana is a criminal, everyday that she is illegal in the USA should count as a separate charge. I am sure she can be productive in prison.


You have some serious problems buddy, but don't worry, you're in the right state to state this kind of crap.

DJK

posted 11/28/07 @ 10:30 AM CST

This is a very complicated issue---you need to get some facts straight:

1) Despite being good people, Ana and her family are criminal illegal aliens. They are not legal immigrants. There is a difference, and trying to lump the two into the same category is a pathetic attempt to make the debate about race instead of the law.

2) If federal laws were enforced, Ana would have never had the opportunity to get an education here. Furthermore, her and her family would have been deported long ago, and her family's employers would have been heavily fined and/or imprisoned.

3) Her family's illegal presence in this country is criminal because:
* they don't pay taxes, but are elligible for gov't services. This is theft, which is why tax evasion is a crime for citizens and legal immigrants.
* if they drive and get in an accident, the other person's insurance is responsible, regardless of the driver's fault.
* we don't know who they are. I assume that Ana and her family are good people, but that doesn't mean that all illegal aliens have good intentions in this country (drugs, terrorism, organized crime, smuggling, etc.).

4) Because we have a system where the laws are routinely undermined for 20+ years, our gov't has allowed this problem to persist so that children, like Ana, are allowed to enter the country illegally, assimilate to the culture, and receive an education at a rate much cheaper than legal non-State students. This is shameful on our part.

Because of our gov'ts incompetence, people like Ana, who came here through no fault of her own, should be given a second chance, but the DREAM act is a nightmare in it's latest form. The standard should be much higher (no GED's/two-year degrees, etc.).

BTW: Even if Ana became legal through something like the DREAM act, her family should not be allowed to remain here, unless they leave and come back through the line. Her parents created this situation and should be accountable.

Lee

posted 11/28/07 @ 12:16 PM CST

Shame on Texas A&M University & the state of Texas for supporting illegal activities such as this through the Texas House Bill 1403. Anna and other illegals should not receive in-state tuition to our great university. I understand A&M wants to admit more minorities but there are legal ways to do so. Anna is breaking the law by living in our country and taking advantage of programs our government provides. She should not receive the same benefits as people who come here legally. She is receiving scholarships and other government funded financial aid which is taking away from American citizens who truly deserve it. Since when is it o.k. to reward people for breaking the law? Don't get me wrong, Ana seems like a great individual but that gives her no right to live and work in our country. There are millions of other individuals just like her or better who are trying to come to our country legally...the right way. She should do the same. And I'm sure Mexico would love to have her in their country. She doesn't belong in the United States unless she decides to come here legally like the countless number of other deserving people who do so every year.

Julian

posted 2/26/09 @ 9:38 AM CST

Who said she was from Mexico? Do you think all immigrants come from Mexico? Is Mexico the only country that comes to your mind when you think of immigrants? Try to open your mind a little bit.

Originally posted by

Lee

Shame on Texas A&M University & the state of Texas for supporting illegal activities such as this through the Texas House Bill 1403. Anna and other illegals should not receive in-state tuition to our great university. I understand A&M wants to admit more minorities but there are legal ways to do so. Anna is breaking the law by living in our country and taking advantage of programs our government provides. She should not receive the same benefits as people who come here legally. She is receiving scholarships and other government funded financial aid which is taking away from American citizens who truly deserve it. Since when is it o.k. to reward people for breaking the law? Don't get me wrong, Ana seems like a great individual but that gives her no right to live and work in our country. There are millions of other individuals just like her or better who are trying to come to our country legally...the right way. She should do the same. And I'm sure Mexico would love to have her in their country. She doesn't belong in the United States unless she decides to come here legally like the countless number of other deserving people who do so every year.

Preston Wiginton

posted 2/27/09 @ 3:38 PM CST

Originally posted by

Lee

Shame on Texas A&M University & the state of Texas for supporting illegal activities such as this through the Texas House Bill 1403. Anna and other illegals should not receive in-state tuition to our great university. I understand A&M wants to admit more minorities but there are legal ways to do so. Anna is breaking the law by living in our country and taking advantage of programs our government provides. She should not receive the same benefits as people who come here legally. She is receiving scholarships and other government funded financial aid which is taking away from American citizens who truly deserve it. Since when is it o.k. to reward people for breaking the law? Don't get me wrong, Ana seems like a great individual but that gives her no right to live and work in our country. There are millions of other individuals just like her or better who are trying to come to our country legally...the right way. She should do the same. And I'm sure Mexico would love to have her in their country. She doesn't belong in the United States unless she decides to come here legally like the countless number of other deserving people who do so every year.


86% of all immigrants, legal, but moslty illegal, that come into the US are from Mexico. So if I had to make a guess....


Of course I will have much to say later.

Where were all of you in opposition to this when I had a protest against HB 1403 4 years ago?

Just wait and see all that your ancestors worked for when things like the dream act get passed. America will become the magnet for those who are not willing to fight in thier own country for what Americans did fight for.

I would absolutley support them if they were to seek inspiration from America and were to engage in the struggle to become greater nations as America has once been the greatest nation on the earth.

Silence Doogood

posted 11/28/07 @ 12:58 PM CST

Look, I'm not going to rehash what Meagain and Lee had to say. I agree with them.

Dems are missing the point. 1. It is illegal. 2. These rights that we have are granted by constitution of the UNITED STATES for CITIZENS of the UNITED STATES. As far as I am concerned, illegals have no rights in this country. I do not wish them harm, actually I wish them well - just in their country of origin.

What is the problem with getting at the back of the line. What does this say to our men and women overseas that have been serving our country so that they have EARNED the right to become a US CITIZEN? What does this say to the folks who came here legally and have spent a lot of time and money to become a citizen the right way?

I dont even want to get into in-state tuition for illegals. Im afraid I might puke on my keyboard. But, why should someone here illegally be allowed in A&M? Shouldnt that spot go to a deserving US CITIZEN????

Tracey Cleary '97

posted 11/28/07 @ 7:42 PM CST

My husband is a LEGAL immigrant. We did the interviews, filled out the papers and jumped through all the hoops. I honestly do not understand why there is even a discussion on making ILLEGAL immigrants legal across the board or giving them rights that we as citizens or legal immigrants have. The discussion should stop at ILLEGAL. It's a slap in the face to those of us who followed the directions and did things properly.

If she wants to work after college then she better start filling out paperwork now. In fact this surely shouldn't be a shock to her or her family. Just like college courses, you can't take a sr. level course unless you've taken the ones below that. You can't get a driver's license or work unless you have a green card first. These are the steps, they are not difficult to follow. It seems that the ILLEGAL immigrants want a free pass. There should not be a "get out of immigration process free" card - it's do not pass go, do not get your $100 and get deported.

I'm not sorry she won't get a job, there have been 10 years between when she arrived and now; there has been plenty of time to correct her status. It's atrocious that people who are here illegally should be allowed in college let alone receive in-state tuition. How do you even get into college when you are here illegally? If her father is legal then it's not a difficult process for his family to become legal. It's wrong all the way around.

I have nothing against Ana or her family, I do not know them. At this point though, Ana could have been legal for the past 6-7 yrs. If you are here illegally and hope to stay then fix it. If not, get out. It's so simple and straightforward.

Irene

posted 11/28/07 @ 10:35 PM CST

As a legal immigrant who has been following the laws of the country that I wanted to live in - I resent all this pandering to law-breakers. There ARE legal ways of going about things. It is not the right for a foreing-born person to become a legal resident of the United States. We can ask to be accepted as citizens - but the government can say "no" and it has to be accepted. It is not a human rights violation as some want it to be depicted. My neighbour has a nicer house, I surely would like to live there. I will even take out the garbage for him. Does it make it OK for me to invite myself and settle in? The whole issue of lumping illegal and legal immigrants is the same as lumping together burglars and invited house guests. Don't vote for Democrats the next election, they are not observing the interests of American taxpayers. They are selling everybody out in hopes to gain Hispanic votes.

anonymous1313

posted 11/29/07 @ 12:28 PM CST

ok so my question to you guys all here saying she shouldnt be getting all these rights is...then what should she do... quit school and go on welfare... quit school and become a theift to survive.. look whatever you say .. she wont just go back to mexico cuz she has made the US her new home... she is trying hard to be a good person,to work like everyone else to pay her taxes to help our economy, understand that it wasnt her fault to come here illegally. what was she supposed to do stay at home while her parents were coming here. and understand that im talking about this girl only... what her parents did is another thing..she was 10 and had to come.. the Dream Act is not nessaserly rewarding them, its just giving a chance to those who are trying to become someone and also help our country at the same time... also im not sure but to what i have heard they dont get that many scholarships... even if they do, to get them you must be "legal" and the fact about not paying taxes.. that is ignorance.. everyone has to pay taxes.. you cant just go to to a store and pay a dollar for something like a burger and expect to pay a dollar exactly... what do u think those extra 7-8 cents are... its called tax..

Tracey Cleary '97

posted 11/30/07 @ 9:27 PM CST

Originally posted by

anonymous1313

ok so my question to you guys all here saying she shouldnt be getting all these rights is...then what should she do... quit school and go on welfare... quit school and become a theift to survive.. look whatever you say .. she wont just go back to mexico cuz she has made the US her new home... she is trying hard to be a good person,to work like everyone else to pay her taxes to help our economy, understand that it wasnt her fault to come here illegally. what was she supposed to do stay at home while her parents were coming here. and understand that im talking about this girl only... what her parents did is another thing..she was 10 and had to come.. the Dream Act is not nessaserly rewarding them, its just giving a chance to those who are trying to become someone and also help our country at the same time... also im not sure but to what i have heard they dont get that many scholarships... even if they do, to get them you must be "legal" and the fact about not paying taxes.. that is ignorance.. everyone has to pay taxes.. you cant just go to to a store and pay a dollar for something like a burger and expect to pay a dollar exactly... what do u think those extra 7-8 cents are... its called tax..


Well, first off if you're bold enough to post your opinion maybe you should be bold enough to post your name. Next time use a dictionary, your spelling and grammar are atrocious. It calls into question just how educated you are and not only on this topic.

Let's see, since you want to specifically use Ana's situation - she's had plenty of time (the last four years at least) to go fill out the forms(I-190 I believe), wait to be approved and receive her green card. It's not complicated and most of the information available in Texas is geared towards Mexicans. What has she been waiting for? She's smart, she's educated and if she's invested in having a future here in the US then she should have planned for it better. Again, nothing against Ana, as I do not know her.

Eric '91

posted 3/30/09 @ 2:34 PM CST

Originally posted by

anonymous1313

ok so my question to you guys all here saying she shouldnt be getting all these rights is...then what should she do... quit school and go on welfare... quit school and become a theift to survive.. look whatever you say .. she wont just go back to mexico cuz she has made the US her new home... she is trying hard to be a good person,to work like everyone else to pay her taxes to help our economy, understand that it wasnt her fault to come here illegally. what was she supposed to do stay at home while her parents were coming here. and understand that im talking about this girl only... what her parents did is another thing..she was 10 and had to come.. the Dream Act is not nessaserly rewarding them, its just giving a chance to those who are trying to become someone and also help our country at the same time... also im not sure but to what i have heard they dont get that many scholarships... even if they do, to get them you must be "legal" and the fact about not paying taxes.. that is ignorance.. everyone has to pay taxes.. you cant just go to to a store and pay a dollar for something like a burger and expect to pay a dollar exactly... what do u think those extra 7-8 cents are... its called tax..


Well, you are correct that her parents brought her here and she shouldn't be penalized for it. She is the type of immigrant we want here. However, she needs to go back to Mexico and apply legally. First, she should get a reputable lawyer to make sure all the paperwork is correctly filed before she leaves. My wife did it and her parents did it so I don't have a lot of sympathy for her when I know there are plenty of ways for her to do it legally. It will just take time since she is dealing with the government. It is not known for its efficiency and timeliness.

Justin Gross

posted 11/30/07 @ 11:10 AM CST

"Illegal is Illegal"; this is the kind of narrow, black and white, stubborn thinking that is killing any meaningful resolution to the debate. Most of you that are not for the DREAM Act have never met (so you think) anyone that is in this situation. If you met any of these young people and heard their stories, you would understand just how right this bill is. Allowing these kids to legalize their status only benefits this nation. We gain nothing by investing billions in their education (mandated by the Supreme Court) making them culturally American, then casting them aside because of status. We lose tax dollars and talent that would contribute to our nation.
A nation of laws we are; think about that when President Bush (like all other Presidents) issues his pardons upon leaving office. Offering a form of "amnesty" from the full force of the law to those he deems worthy. A nation of laws, indeed.

ann

posted 12/01/07 @ 11:40 AM CST

Ana preserved despite the odds and she is not a criminal, she herself has not committed any crimes. She is a future productive member of society. In this country we don't punish people for their parents actions unless it involves immigration violations. Ana is the victim of her parents actions as well as the callousness of the American government.

meagain

posted 12/03/07 @ 3:54 AM CST

Originally posted by

ann

Ana preserved despite the odds and she is not a criminal, she herself has not committed any crimes. She is a future productive member of society. In this country we don't punish people for their parents actions unless it involves immigration violations. Ana is the victim of her parents actions as well as the callousness of the American government.


Yes, she is a criminal. She does not have the proper documentation to legally be in this country. While she was brought as a child, her continuing stay in the US past her 18th birthday only further contributes to the crime.

Children pay for the sins of their parents every day in this country. You don't think a child growing up in the foster care system pay for their parent's crimes?

Preston Wiginton

posted 3/29/09 @ 2:15 PM CST

Originally posted by

ann

Ana preserved despite the odds and she is not a criminal, she herself has not committed any crimes. She is a future productive member of society. In this country we don't punish people for their parents actions unless it involves immigration violations. Ana is the victim of her parents actions as well as the callousness of the American government.


If parents rob a bank and the children happen to be in the getaway car when the parents are caught, do the children get to keep the loot?

Jesus Christ

posted 12/03/07 @ 9:33 PM CST

Oh cruel children, my heart aches when I hear these hateful words. Have you not listened to my words? Love your fellow man. Many speak of man's laws... have you forgotten God's laws? Are we all not illegal immigrants on God's marvelous earth? And yet, he has forgiven us for our lack of documentation. He has embraced us and our dreams, our aspirations, and given us a chance.

Man's border laws must cower before the laws of compassion and love. Was I not transgressing upon Pilate's "laws". Did I not deserve compassion?

My children, I hope you find your way once more,
Jesus Christ

Julian

posted 2/26/09 @ 9:47 AM CST

Kudos to Jesus!

Originally posted by

Jesus Christ

Oh cruel children, my heart aches when I hear these hateful words. Have you not listened to my words? Love your fellow man. Many speak of man's laws... have you forgotten God's laws? Are we all not illegal immigrants on God's marvelous earth? And yet, he has forgiven us for our lack of documentation. He has embraced us and our dreams, our aspirations, and given us a chance.

Man's border laws must cower before the laws of compassion and love. Was I not transgressing upon Pilate's "laws". Did I not deserve compassion?

My children, I hope you find your way once more,
Jesus Christ

Online Degree

posted 2/26/09 @ 3:08 AM CST

Considering the fact that almost 40% of those working in the main companies in USA are immigrants, I think this solves naturally the problem. USA needs its immigrants just as the immigrants need to work in USA!

Ruben

posted 3/26/09 @ 10:27 AM CST

I find it funny that people try to tell others to look at the facts and realize that she is a criminal. If most of you did what you are asking others to do, you'd know that in fact she is not.

"It is a civil infraction. Deportation proceedings are NOT criminal proceedings; they are civil proceedings. See the video by Rudy Guiliani who dispels the myth of illegal immigration being a crime in the United States."

http://adreamdeferred.org/blog/30676-being-illegal-is-not-a-crime

So please don't use terms that don't apply here. People get riled up by terms such as "illegal" and "amnesty" but fail to see the reason and compassion behind the Dream Act. It's a shame.

Ruben = white traitor

posted 3/29/09 @ 8:29 AM CST

Race mixing will ruin this country and the world.

Valerie

posted 4/02/09 @ 12:14 PM CST

I'm just wondering what all of you who want all illegal immigrants to go back to Mexico and wait in line to come this country propose to do about the other oh say...15 million people to do? Are we all going to ship them back in 18 wheelers? Arrest all of them and deport them? I mean, logistically, how can we make them all go back to their country of origin?

Preston Wiginton

posted 4/03/09 @ 12:36 AM CST

Originally posted by

Valerie

I'm just wondering what all of you who want all illegal immigrants to go back to Mexico and wait in line to come this country propose to do about the other oh say...15 million people to do? Are we all going to ship them back in 18 wheelers? Arrest all of them and deport them? I mean, logistically, how can we make them all go back to their country of origin?


Sad that most in America do not even know American history.

Well in 1954 they did ship them back in trucks, planes, trains.. you name it. Ever hear of Operation Wetback?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

The questions all of you children need to ask is why are there nations? And what are nations?

Think about it and get back to me.

As well why is it that millions of immigrants are only pouring into white nations? I mean there are none pouring into the wealth of Japan, China or Saudia Arabia? Why not?

Lisa

posted 4/03/09 @ 11:52 AM CST

I wonder how many of the people here crying about illegal immigrants breaking the law routinely steal copyrighted music and films.

Daulph

posted 4/03/09 @ 2:10 PM CST

I take very seriously the hypocrisy of this man Preston. How you can you insult the most prominent of WNs yet claim to be part of our movement.

http://www.thebatt.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticleComments&ustory_id=b8c385bd-bae7-4056-858c-d4b7b373e0c4#f7d37ceb-b2ed-46bc-ba7f-b78285be0efc


These tactics are nothing more than negative publicity and resemble that of Hal Turner a traitor of all WNs. By either account, this man Preston must be disposed of.

Preston Wiginton

posted 4/04/09 @ 1:41 PM CST

Sad you are lost Mr. Daulph. Apparently you are not a true white man. A white man has no fear to use his real name.

Have you had any business dealing with Mr. Duke?

Why was Mr. Duke in prison?

Aside this thread is about the Dream Act. Not who I am or apparently who you are confused about who I a not.

preston wiginton

posted 4/04/09 @ 2:03 PM CST

Unfortunately most who attack me never use a real nams. If so I would engage in conversation or otherwise with said assailents about their claims.

I apologize readers, but I have to make a statement to Mr. Daulph.

Good tactics you leftist scum. Defame me, then get me to defame Duke therefore defame WN. I do not think it worked. I give the readers much more credit than that.

Jeremy

posted 4/05/09 @ 12:19 AM CST

This is hilarious. Two white nationalists who dislike each other. Are there any people you two don't like?

Preston Wiginton

posted 4/05/09 @ 7:11 AM CST

Originally posted by

Jeremy

This is hilarious. Two white nationalists who dislike each other. Are there any people you two don't like?


I have hundreds of friends around the world of all walks of life, beliefs and color.

National Socailism is about nature and evolution, not the hatred of others, except those who promote thier agenda through man made religion and law as the chosen state that those who do not worship them or the doctrines born of them, judaism, xtianity, islam, commuism and its cohorts political correctness and multiculturalism, are to be destroyed if not put to death.

And you would probably be surprised at how man non religious jewish friends I have.

Asise why put a label on me before getting to know me?

Jeremy

posted 4/05/09 @ 10:12 AM CST

Don't respond to me you filth, I get a kick out of how you presume people have no Idea what you stand for. I know what National Socialism is. I especially like the position of "Humanitarian relocation of non-whites." This later turned out to be concentration camps in "National Socialist" Germany.

""judaism, xtianity, islam, commuism and its cohorts political correctness and multiculturalism, are to be destroyed if not put to death."

Why don't you spew your BS to someone who doesn't blame their shortcomings on anyone else? I really don't care about knowing you, It's just another way to justify the means that lead to your ends by any route. I have 100's of friends too, but the rest of the world population doesn't hate me. By any account your means are unacceptable. Translation: Eat a dick.
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